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The 6400 Zone is created to help you gain access to useful software updates and great shareware programs that add functionality to your system. It is also a one stop road map to other informative sites for answering your questions. Most of the info here is geared towards the 6400, but it is useful for all PCI Performa models and even the 6500 and all-in-one Macs based on the same. It's even useful to other MAC systems. I will be referring to my 6400/200 clocked to 220Mhz as just 6400/220, OK.
I will keep it updated as often as I can but I don't have much free time to work on it, so I suggest you check back at least once a week. That should be sufficient. If you don't see something you would like to see here or have your own software / web site that would benefit the MAC community, please write to me at TMK12v@aol.com and I will check it out.
My Vimage Info page on Vimage's G3 upgrade for the 6400
My Vimage Compatibility page
My Vimage User Letters page
My Vimage install review
My Sonnet Tech Info page on Sonnet's G3 upgrade for the 6400
My Sonnet User Letters page
My Sonnet install review
My Newer Tech Info page on Newer's G3 upgrade for the 6400
Just Updated 3/26/1999
More Sonnet/Geo issues arising: I have recieved a few more letters from Sonnet G3 users stating that they are having problems with their Geo modems. Please let me know if you're having issues and which version Crescendo extension you have. I have found a few things you can try to help stablize your system. Add a Z to the front of the crescendo extension (zCrescnedo) to make it load later. Also make sure you have Apple Telecom 3.1.3 as its the newest version for the Geo modem. Another thing to try is to re-rebuild the desktop as the Crescendo installer forces a rebuild but this rebuild does not always perfrom correctly and leaves some generic icons. This may cause problems with other Apps in the future.
This one is from Accelerate Your Mac
[Dana sent an update to his 6500/Sonnet G3 Upgrade conflict problem: " Conflicts with three ATI extensions that had to be disabled by Conflict Catcher - I was experiencing freezes on start up and other wierd behavior. Also, I can no longer print to my Epson Stylus Color 600 [He later replied with a solution] With regards to my Sonnet 300/150/1 MB installed in my Pmac 6500, I've decided to keep the card. The latest version of the software (1.3.4) caused episodic crashing when performing functions using the menu bar. I've reverted to the prior version of the software, renamed it Zcrescendo to load last, and turned off background printing. My printer now works, and I don't experience start-up crashes any longer. "]
I actually found the 1.3.4 extension to cause more startup crashes on my 6400 too and went back to the 1.3.2 version with the Z on the front and it has worked for a week with no startup crashes so far. The Geo is still running strong to. "knock on wood" :)
400Mhz G3 upgrade for the 6400?, Nope!: I had posted some concerns about Sonnets or Newers 400Mhz cards running on a 6400 at Apples forums and it looks as if I was right. the 6400 has a 40Mhz bus and the current line of G3 CPU's has a max 8x BUS/CPU ratio limit which means the fastest G3 for us is 320Mhz. Scott wrote to Newer and they confirmed this. Thanks Scott.
Your on the mark again. I recently inquired about the same situation with NewerTechs MAXPowrG3 400/1MB for 6360,64XX and 65XX series machines. The following is the reply from NewerTech
"In a 40MHz bus machine, the 400MHz card will only run at 320MHz.Thanks for your interest."
So if you have a 6360 or 64XX machine, 320Mhz is all you'll get
with the MAXPowrG3. Unfortunately, many of the Mac product catalogs
are mis-advertising this product. For the MAXPowr cost, $999 street,
you would be better served to review Vimage's 320Mhz at a cost
He is right about Vimages 320/325 card being the better choice for the 6400. As we speak Vimage is just about ready to ship it and it will run around $599. Plus I hear the double boot issue may be fixed? This is the same price as Newers and Sonnets 300Mhz G3's but 20Mhz faster. Vimage will send me a card to review as soon as they're out. On a side note I was told Newers cards may not ship until June or July. I hope they aren't going thru the same problem they had with the 6100 PDS slot G3 upgrade. I remember it being advertised for months before it was ready!
Mac Equipment for sale: Paul has sold his PowerBook 2300c and Ryan has sold his HD and both would like to thank all that inquired. Click here to see what else is listed for sale.
Another satisfied 6400 user: Chris write to let me know that he installed a 17.2G Maxtor drive and couldn't be happier. Thanks Chris.
[I have a 6400/200 w/32 meg ram and i needed a bigger hard drive
so i took a chance on the maxtor 17.2 gig ide internal $350.oo..
Slapped it in formatted it hfs+
Works like a charm
I use it to store lots of audio for making cds. I use the smart and friendly 8020 cd rocket 8x cd-r and a cdrw 226 2x rewrite. No problem. Just extract from the cd rom internal and go. My 6400 is 8.5.1 and solid also with a lacie 18.2 external
Not one glitch. Its a good computer
Fix on how to make a new IDE HD that is causing problems work: Dave wrote me with a problem he had installing a new 8G IDE HD in his 6400. When he booted the system just hanged. Here is a fix he found on Apples 6400 Forums. Thanks Dave.
[Thank you so much for your response, I did a search on the archives
and came up with these two posts, and they were right on the
money, i couldn't have asked for any closer match of circumstances....
>>I am upgrading my IDE HD with a Maxtor 15.1GB Diamond Max+.
However after removing my old drive and installing the new Maxtor,
my computer doesn't boot. I hear the startup chime, but no smiley
mac, no sad mac, only the mouse pointer in the upper left corner
of screen. I am trying to boot with my sys-8.5 cd while holding
the c key. Also tried using disk tools with same result. Put my
old IDE drive in and everthings fine. Returned the Maxtor to CompUSA
for a replacement, installed it with same results. Any help from
this board will be appreciated.
And this person's resolution:
>>I was trying to boot from my system cd but nothing was happening.However following Apple's troubleshooting procedure, I turned off the computer and disconnected my zip drive and scanner from the SCSI port at the rear of the computer. Restarted and aha!! everthing starts to click. The drive is now formatted and loaded and it works great! Must be some sort of SCSI problem. I will continue to troubleshoot that tonight. Thanks
WOW. My excact circumstances, zip and all! I did as he sayed, and my new drive is humming right now!! Thank you for all the resources you provide, they have helped me for years!
Just Updated 3/19/1999
Sonnet announces 400Mhz L2/G3 card: Here is a press release from Sonnet on their new 400Mhz/1M G3 card for 6500's and other based on the same mother board. it states its for the 50Mhz bus systems but I was wondering if it would work on our 6400's? I read at Accelerate Your Mac that the current line of G3 CPU's can only have a 8x bus/CPU ratio which means on a 6400 it would only run at 320Mhz! Quite a differance and not worth it if true! At just under $1000 it will be competition for Newer's soon to be released 400Mhz card.
Cable modem: I was hoping to make this update from a new cable modem provided by COX cable but I seem to have run into a little problem. The house we bought never had cable connected so they have to order a cable to be dropped in which may take a month to complete! They have to run it under some concrete and 2 walls so it will be quite a bit of work. Needless to say once this is done, I don't expect COX to show up right away so it may be 2 months before I get connected :( so that you don't have the same problem, I suggest you let your provider know if your house has had a cable run to it or not. This will speed up the process because I just wasted 2 weeks waiting to only find out I have to wait another month.
CVGS updated: Connectix has updated their Sony Playstation emulator to 1.2. Click here to down load it from their site.
Letter from a satisfied Sonnet L2/G3 user: Here is a letter Mike sent on his experiences with Sonnets L2/G3 cards. Thanks Mike.
[I resisted as long as I could, but when sonnet released a 300
with that price I had to buy it, especially with all that copper/non-copper
talk. My card runs at 23° to 31° never more, even after a couple
hours of playing quake. It is awesome, and since the Control Panel
upgrade I have had no start-up freezes. My only problem is that
in some of my games, quake in particular, the sound is totally
trashed. Cracks, pops, stutters it is horrible and only present
when the G3 card is active. I noticed more of a speed increase
from the 200 to the 240 G3 then from the 240G3 to the 300G3. Yes,
I have used both, since Bob over at Maccpu accidently shipped
me a 240 G3 first. I have some real world tests that I generated
to compare from no card to 240 to 300. If you want I could email
my results to you, but the general point will be that my testing
follows the following pattern, marginal to fast to faster for
all of my test results. The 240 usually ran about 20° hotter then
the 300. No other problems, could not imagine using sys 8.5.1
without it. Just today, saw that vimage had some price cuts. I
now own the sonnet, but that extra 20 mhz that the vimage card
is going to offer for the same price makes me think. Now that
I have a taste for some speed, more is good, less is bad. Oh well,
300 is good enough. Mine is the 1meg backside card, do not know
how it is better then the 512 meg card. Such an exciting time
for us Performa owners, wish someone could figure out how to beef
up the on board video memory.
Issues with the Sonnet G3 and the Geo modem: By now many of you may have heard about people having issues with their new Sonnet L2/G3 and the internal geo modem. As I stated in my review, my Geo modem does work with both Sonnets and Vimages G3 cards but there might be some combination of things going on in other systems causing it not to work. Until recently most peoples complaints I have read about never stated what exactly was happening and that the 2 just didn't work together. Most of these complaints were from 6500 or TAM users but Jose has emailed to let me know that he has an issue on his 6400's Geo modem with Sonnets G3 card. Thanks for the info Jose. Below is a letter from Jose with a reply from me and then another reply from him.
Yes, I have had to zap the PRAM often. I just installed this G3 upgrade card this past Friday (3/12) evening. The speed increase is astounding. In the past 36 hours, I must have had to do the "zap PRAM-rebuild desktop" combination at least six times.
Actually, I was about to do it again just now before signing on because I had a rough patch of having to do 3 "soft restarts" (Apple-control-power key) due to the MAChine starting up but freezing when it got to my desktop. But I got lazy and just went for it. Bad start-ups could be another little bug rearing its ugly little head. Humph!?!
Regarding the Geoport/Express modem, actually I haven't any real complaints about it since buying the computer. [Although, I might get an even faster web experience with this new G3 upgrade plus a(n) external v.90 56K modem (USB thru USB PCI??). With the upgrade card, websites have almost doubled in loading time!!]
The actual connection problem was a connection warning: "The modem has reported that there is no dial tone." I could hear the modem being initialized but there was no usual dial-out tones. The phone line was double-checked AOK. So the PRAM-rebuild desktop combos began.
I am using AOL 4.0 and OS 8.1. Is there a newer version of Telecom past 3.1.3? I thought I read something about 3.2.x from OS 8.5.1 but that certain functionality had been left out?? What I have now is fully working although there are moments of slight connection grief, but it's manageable.
Once I'm back online, I haven't experienced a crash with the modem (yet, <knocking on wood>).
Thanks for your time.]
<< Version 3.1.3 is the latest to my knowledge. I use AOL 4 also
and I get connection problems even with my external 33.6 GV modem
so I wonder if your problems and mine are somewhat related to
AOL and not the Sonnet G3. Have you tried removing it to see if
your connections get better? So its not really crashing but it
just doesnt detect a phone line connection, right?
Another letter on a Geo modem issue with Sonnts G3: Ralph replyed to a message of mine giving me some info on what is happening to him. Thanks Ralph.
Just read your response to my post yesterday about Geo/Crescendo incompatibilities.
Glad to hear Im not the only one having trouble! I think you may be rightr in saying that its a 50 MHz bus problem. For a short time, i was actually able to connect with my Crescendo and geoport, but would soon get a bus error. Then eventually I was not able to connect at all. This is a little strange in itself and I have not been able to figure why it would work (very poorly), then stop working. This is a typical symptom of user error I know, but I retraced my steps very thoroughly and was still unable to get the Crescendo to work with the geo.
BTW, on one of the Apple tech pages (search under 'G3' and 'Geoport/Express'), Apple states that they will not support Geoport for their own G3 models. There was no explanation on the site, but I wonder if they ran into similar problems and decided to pitch the geoport idea altogether.
Incidentally, I thought your review was great, I've been struggling with this geoport thing a while now and just wanted to let people know.
Keep me posted on any developments, and let me know if I and/or my system can be of any help.
Issues with Sonnets L2/G3 in general: To date the only complaints I'm getting are either startup crashes or issues with the Geo modem. Sonnet had released an update to their Crescendo extension to fix the startup crash and this may also fix issues with the Geo modem? If you are experiencing either of these issue, it has been found that if you rename the extension with a "Z" or "~" to get it to boot towards the end of the extensions that these problems will be drastically reduced. I have started getting some startup crashes with the 1.3.4 update of their extension that I was not having during the review with v1.3.2 but adding the "Z" to the front of the name has fixed this problem for me. Please let me know if you are having any issues with your Sonnet L2/G2 card so I can find out if there are any more problems.
Letter from MacCPU on why they say the Geo will not work with Sonnets G3's: I just received this today and thought you all might be interested in it. It sems that MacCPU may not have had much issues with the Geo modem themselves but just read about many issues mostly with TAM's and decided to be safe and say the Geo doesn't work with any G3 upgrade! Although I respect there reasoning for probably not wanting to deal with people wanting refunds, but it does seem to give a the wrong impression.
[Tom - Because we (at MacCPU) have never shipped an upgrade to
a Geoport person the problems were ones we *read about,* mainly
on the TAM page and with TAM people. And it was a freezing/crashing
problem. We really didn't give it a second thought because we
know how picky the Geoport has always been.
I wish you had a TAM to do tests on.
More VRAM for ATI VR users?: Jeff writes to let us know of a deal he found on getting an extra 4M VRAM for ATI VR card owners that have upgradable VRAM. the RAM looks like it was meant for the PC version of ATI's card but he says it works in the Mac version. Thanks Jeff.
I thought you might like to pass this bargain on to your readers:
If you have an upgrade capable Xclaim VR 4MB Card, you might want to pop another 4MB in it so you can play all of those CVGS games or get millions of colors on 19" monitors (I just got a G790 from Viewsonic and its great).
I found the upgrade at Allstar Shop (http://www.allstarshop.com) for only $19.50 plus shipping ($6.79) -- bringing the total to $26.29. I've never seen this upgrade at this price before. Allstar's shipping is rather slow but for this price I can wait.
NOTE: the advertisement on the Allstar Page does not list the Xclaim VR, but the chip will work (I know because I checked the part numbers and I've already installed one.) The chip is in the "Video Adapters" part of the Allstar site and is listed as an ATI upgrade for Xpert@Play chip. If you need installation help, let me know -- email@example.com.
amazon.com, books and more 7/2/98
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Link to my site that gets rid of AOL's ads! 9/16/98
Jeff did some digging in to the new code that displays the frames
on my site with AOL ads and found a link that can be used which
will not show those annoying ads. Here is the address. http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/TMK12v/home.html
Thanks Jeff, for sending this info. PS don't let AOL find out :)
Current Problems with my System
System won't sleep2/26/1999
I don't know if Sonnets L2/G3 cards are causing this problem but neither of my 6400's will sleep now. The monitors will sleep but the HD just spins down and then right back up and the fan never slows at all. I'm using OS 8.5.1 and have a 300/512k and 300/1M G3 card installed. I know the sleep function used to work but I haven't tried it in awhile. If any of you have this problem or if your system will sleep with Sonnets cards then please email me the details. Thanks.
Update 3/2/1999 Its not Sonnets G3 cards causing the problem. I just removed the G3 and left the L2 slot empty and the 6400/180 will still not sleep? Hmmmmmmm!
Type 10 error while printing GIF from AOL 10/14/97
I just tried to print a gif file from AOL 3.0 and AOL crashes with a type 10. I have the Epson stylus 600, background printing turned on, OS 8.0, and I was not logged on at the time. If any of you have had this problem and fixed it, please email me the details.
Update 10/31/97: I have been in contact with another person having a similar problem but he was not running OS 8.0. This tells me the problem is more likely AOL's and not Apples.
Update 6/9/98: Thought I forgot about this did ya? Well I just tried it again and even with Epsons newest printer drivers I still got a type 10 error. This definitely leads me to believe that AOL 3.0.x is the problem as my entire system has pretty much been changed since my last update. I have not had a problem printing when online.
Update 1/1/1999: Since I have the newer Epson 700 printer and no longer use the 600 I may never know if ths problem was fixed? I will attempt to test the 700 for this problem and will note it here.
Final Answer!: I finally found what sounds to be an answer to this problem. I found this on MacFixIt
[Explorer and Epson 600 conflict? We have received several reports of system crashes/freezes when printing from Internet Explorer 4.5 to an Epson Stylus Color 600 printer, especially so if you use any options beyond the Print button. (Thanks, Andrew Sorensen, Mike Beshara and others.)]
Since AOL has started using IE for its browser, I think this issue holds true for me as well. Now who knows when it will get fixed?
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