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Just Updated 11/2/2002
OS9 Helper on my 6400!: Since so many readers had great success with OS9 Helper I decided to try it myself :) I didn't follow my own suggestions by installing while booted to a CD or installing to a backup partition but instead I just installed it right on top of my currently running OS. Needless to say the install went perfectly! I am now running OS 9.2.2 on my 6400 with the Vimage G3 320/1M card just fine :)
To install, all I did was download OS 9.2.1 and OS 9.2.2 .smi files to my desktop. Then while booted to OS 9.1 I ran OS9 Helper and told it to install OS 9.2.1. It then hacked the installer and started it up. After the install completed and I rebooted to now OS 9.2.1, I then ran OS9 Helper again and told it to install OS 9.2.2. It hacked the installer again and then installed OS 9.2.2. After I rebooted I was now happily in OS 9.2.2 :) no issues at all. No PRAM zapping needed and the Vimage card works fine. One thing I should note is that my 6400 had a fresh install of OS 9.1 and Vimages drivers as I wiped the drive clean awhile ago. So its possible that third party apps have caused the slight hiccups that other owners have had while trying to install OS 9.2.2?
One thing no one mentioned to me was that the Mac bootup splash screen now has a little blurb about you running OS 9.2.2 OldWord Support in the lower right corner of the Mac image. That way you know how that OS was installed :)
Caution upgrading to OS 9.2.2 if you depend on a lot of older apps!: Walter sent me his experience with OS 9.2.2. Basically the install went very smooth but he found some older apps that just don't work anymore :( Thanks for the info Walter. In general, this should be a concern with any OS upgrade.
Alpus 3000 OSX install success story!: Nils wrote to say that he was able to install OSX on his Apus 3000 (6500 clone) with great success using the Alchemy hacked XPostFacto I have on my site. Thanks for the info Nils!
He later wrote that he started with OSX 10.0 and then used XPostFacto again to upgrade to 10.1. From here he just used the software update feature in OSX to upgrade to 10.1.5.
It seems that the 6500 and 6500 clones are working better and better with OSX now. One thing I should note is that only clones with G3 upgrades that are not L2 slot based can have the G3 used under OSX. Also you must have a G3 upgrade install for OSX 10.2 to run at the moment. Apple removed support for non-G3 based Macs in OSX 10.2 :( So this means that the 6400 and 6500 cannot run 10.2 at the moment!
Samy, who was able to get OSX installed on his 6500, tried the hacked version of XPostFacto without success. Below is his info. Thanks Samy.
My OSX install attempt on a 6400: Well, not to be left out of all this fun, I decided it was time to try again on my 6400 :) I got much further then I did the first time but I am still unable to fully boot into OSX and install it. I did most of my testing with the Alchemy Hacked version of XPF as that actually got me further then the 2.2b9 version did contrary to what Samy found? Samy later informed me that the versions of XPF 2.2 and later fix an issue with the older verions that required old world Macs to have the onboard video active or the install would fail. This means placing a monitor or a monitor adaptor on the stock video out to fix it. The Alchemy Hacked version I have posted is 2.2.2 so this should not be an issue anymore?
The 6400 in use was stock except for having 88MB of RAM and my Vimage G3 card installed. The HD had only OS 9.2.2 and the Vimage drivers installed.
The first thing I did was to install my old Micropolis 2G SCSI HD to try and install OSX to that straight from the OSX 10.1 install CD using XPF. In XPF I set autoboot to false and input to keyboard and output to monitor. I then told XPF to boot from the install CDROM and install to the SCSI HD. Upon reboot it dumped me into open firmware and I typed "boot". Then nothing happened? It seemed to lock up so I rebooted. It went to OF again and I typed "boot" but this time it gave me the "claim fail" error. I then got this error over and over no matter how many times I rebooted so I zapped the PRAM and it booted back to OS9. OK so SCSI is still not able to install OSX on a 6400 yet.
I moved my entire IDE drive contents to the SCSI drive and rebooted to that drive. I then wiped the IDE drive and partitioned it to one 700MB partition and the rest into roughly 1.3Gigs. (it was the stock 2.4G HD). Now following Samy's instructions, I used Apple Software Restore to copy OSX 10.1 installer CD to the 700MB partition. I then used the hacked XPF to boot from the 700MB partition and install to the 1.3G partition with the same settings as before (autoboot=false, input=keyboard, output=monitor). This time it actually got past the OF prompt after typing "boot" so OF really has a bug with booting to SCSI drives with non Mac systems on the 6400. It went so far and then just stopped while the gray screen with the gray Apple was still showing. It never got to the blue screen where the installer app is actually launching.
I then rebooted and held the "Apple" key and "V" key to boot into verbose mode. This shows you all the text that is normally displayed to the screen by unix that Apple is hiding. I found that the startup was hanging after a long cycle of "bytes transferred" was displayed? I also saw many other errors like Apple Mac IO Self Test Failed and Mesh Chip Not Responding. Samy told me that these errors are also seen on his 6500 so they are not an issue I guess. But why was the startup stopping after these bytes transferred lines where displayed? Samy suggested that it may be my video card or lack there of. OSX uses a lot of VRAM and uses ATI and Nvidia graphics chips. The 6500 has the really old ATI Rage II but the 6400 has nothing! So I tried to get an ATI PCI card. I was able to barrow an ATI Radeon 7000 card :) So lets try again.
With the ATI Radeon 7000 installed I re-set the XPF settings to autoboot=false, input=keyboard, and output=ATI. There was some other info after ATI but I don't remember what it was but there where actually 2 choices for ATI? Both identically named except one had an "A" and one had a "B" at the end of the name. I chose the "A" version. I made sure the boot drive was selected to the 700MB partition and the install drive was selected to the 1.3Gig partition and I then selected install again.
After typing "boot" in OF I pressed the Apple-V keys again to get into verbose mode. Now the bootup made it past the bytes transferred but didn't get much further and now I get "the installer quit with a type 1 error. Hit return to restart the system" :( This error was preceded with "Root Power Domain Receiving Initial Pref" and several "KCGErrorFailure: CGSServer Connection Cannot Connect to Server" errors. This is where I am stuck now. Still not to the blue screen but very close. Samy thinks its still a video card issue since the Radeon 7000 is not supported until OSX 10.1.5 and I am trying to install from an OSX 10.1 disk. He does see the bytes transferred during his bootup but did not see the Root Power Domain and KCG items. He did note that about this time the blue screen kicks in meaning the installer app is launching so I am very close!
I either need to get an older ATI card or I can try to extract the ATI drivers from my OSX 10.2.1 installs and put them in the system folder of the ASR restored partition. Anyone else have any suggestions? Please email me if you do. Thanks.
I wanted to note that I can leave autoboot to true so there would be no need to boot to OF and type "boot" every single time but this way makes it easier to get back into OS9 without a PRAM ZAP. But you must make input=keyboard and output=your video card or it may not work at all. I no longer had any issues with starting the OSX bootup as long as no SCSI drive was involved. If I tried to boot from or install to a SCSI drive, I got the claim failed errors. The drives may work once OSX is installed, but you just can't boot to or install to them.
ATI Radeon 7000 and Vimage G3 don't work together: Well I couldn't resist since I had the card for testing OSX. I tried it with the Vimage G3 enabled and after the soft reboot Vimges drivers force, I had no image and the monitor appeard to go to sleep? It was hung and I had to reboot with extensions disabled. Oh well, it was worth a try :)
Remove Sonnet G3 card when installing new IDE hard drives?: I don't know how serious this issue is but Ben has found that with his Sonnet G3 card installed, he was unable see his new HD to be able to initialize it and use it. Thanks for the info Ben.
Like I said, I don't know how serious this problem is as I have not heard of this issue before. But, I have heard from 6400/6500 owners having trouble installing a new IDE HD where it just would not show up on the desktop so you could not use it. I have no idea if these where related to having a G3 card installed but this is good tip to remember when its time to upgrade that HD.
Another solution to fix Enternet DSL issues. Using a router: I had noted on a previous update that a DSL user had issues with the Opentransport software I have posted because it interfered with his Enternet software. Reinstalling the Enternet software fixed it for him but VRic has a more permanent solution that is good for any cable/DSL user. Thanks VRic.
Basically this is good info for any user that needs special software for an internet connection with Cable or DSL services. The software is basically used for what is called PPPoE which means PPP over Ethernet. This allows for authenticating the user on the ISP's network. By doing PPPoE in hardware via a router, you get rid of the need for special software and no longer have to worry about that when doing any OS upgrades. Also for those with multiple computers, a router can allow all of them to share one IP address which can save you money :)
Fix for issues opening images downloaded via AOL: Art has been in contact with me trying to fix an issue with opening downloaded images via AOL. No other app was able to open these images. Not even Photoshop. It turns out that the fix was quite simple but not obvious. Read on to find out how. Thanks for the info Art.
When I first read that I thought it was kind of strange that this setting would affect other apps. I had figured you could still open the file but it would not look as good as it could have been since it was compressed by AOL to save load time while browsing. Perhaps AOL uses a proprietary compression that Photoshop has no knowledge of and that is why it could not open these images?
Some HP Printers do work on USB PCI cards: Awhile ago a visitor wrote to say that their HP printer was not working with a USB card in a 6400. HP told them that they do not support their printers on USB cards. Ben just wrote saying his HP printer works fine with a USB card so I guess your mileage may vary. Thanks Ben.
Audio stuttering fixed by using a USB audio out device!: Luc just wrote to say that his audio stuttering problems have been fixed by using the audio output from his iMic. Thanks for the info Luc.
I asked him if he had to switch the audio out in the Sound control panel or if it did that automatically. Here is his reply.
Please email me if you try this yourself. Thanks.
Ethernet card page added: Jeff wrote to tell me about his success in using a D-Link ethernet card in his 6400 and also suggested I start an ethernet card page. So click here to see my new ethernet card page :) Thanks Jeff! I also moved my Farallon card info to this page.
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